Chat archive · 2017-07
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:08 PM UTC
So an agreement to make no more Fixed orders would be ok ?
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:08 PM UTC
Standart ones may be beaten by my bot. So - it’s ok. Fixed ones can’t be beaten
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:08 PM UTC
no what you mean is that if PH and NH don’t exist then you can’t fix orders
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:08 PM UTC
I'm sure we can have our users not set Fixed orders
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:09 PM UTC
Or you can ask NH to remove fixed orders
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:09 PM UTC
Friskie, right now already is mode of low ph fixed orders
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:09 PM UTC
No mate, what I mean is, our PH users wont set any Fixed orders any more, simple
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:10 PM UTC
you are certainly more intelligent than NH fixed orders?
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:10 PM UTC
So. Why than you asking me to remove yhem?
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:10 PM UTC
what is small guy hurting you?
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:10 PM UTC
Because they affect the prices of the standard orders for some reason
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:11 PM UTC
so what if i send all hash to your pool if it is so good?
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:11 PM UTC
There is no affect for the standart orders pricing
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:12 PM UTC
Maybe its true Konov, and it just seems that way to me
GregoryGHarding · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:12 PM UTC
@FRISKIE : theres no use. i tired. @fattygrub has a personal gripe
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:12 PM UTC
My pool is pool for me. It got no multi-user share counting part.
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:13 PM UTC
The bad thing for us though is that we cant participate and benefit from the high profit spikes
GregoryGHarding · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:13 PM UTC
@Konov : why create accounts to sit and watch.. i dont get it
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:14 PM UTC
All the miners migrate upwards dueing those periods and our miners are left with zero
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:14 PM UTC
your video tells nothing of what we talk about
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:14 PM UTC
@ GregoryGHarding keep enemies closer than friends
LOL
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:14 PM UTC
Ant solution you can think of for that?
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:15 PM UTC
Solution is simple: place low orders and dont get price moving upwards
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:15 PM UTC
Konov - when ther are high profit moments, all the miners migrate upwards, and we dont get to benefit from those high profit moments
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:16 PM UTC
Friskie, when PH is down, there is no upwards orders!
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:16 PM UTC
see what I mean? Scrypt profit hits 25cents for istance, and the miners al run upwards, and we sit there with zero
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:16 PM UTC
So, the only one reason price is going up is ph users
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:17 PM UTC
no mate, blocks are found for insta,ce
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:17 PM UTC
And the Scrypt profitability spikes
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:17 PM UTC
I can tell how avoid price rise. But all renters got to listen
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:18 PM UTC
before , when we had fixed orders it was great, we still got profits, and lots of good profits
wkying79 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:18 PM UTC
@konov explain technical logic of how PH affects upward order pricing on NH.
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:18 PM UTC
fixed orders was a hack-workaround of price rising
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:19 PM UTC
friskie - you, fatty, joe the miner, maybe taka and miki
wkying79 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:19 PM UTC
@konov give details. be clear. right now i cannot understand you
wkying79 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:19 PM UTC
@konov are you just guessing? if you have worked out the proof, please show with work so we can confirm the maths
wkying79 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:20 PM UTC
@konov show mathematical proof to your conclusion PH has anything to do with NH price rises
wkying79 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:21 PM UTC
right now it only looks like you are the cuase
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:21 PM UTC
How about a plan so we can have Standard orders on NH , and still benefit when there is a profit rise
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:21 PM UTC
As it is, all the miners run upwards and we are empty]
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:22 PM UTC
Would be great to find a solution that works for everyone
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:23 PM UTC
@ wkying79 - when ph is out of real pricong - daemon down/exchange errors/shares delays etc. All you didn;t place orders on NH and price didnt rise. That is the proof
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:23 PM UTC
konov do you wish you are the only miner ?
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:24 PM UTC
What can we do that will work for everyone?
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:24 PM UTC
ok. how much your income?
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:24 PM UTC
well today I lost money, so not a good example
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:25 PM UTC
I can offer all of you 1 btc daily and U didn’t rent on NH. But I think, someone will quit of this proposion
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:25 PM UTC
all my income from mining. very good before. now i fight and still ok.
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:25 PM UTC
And all you can divide this 1 btc in some parts
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:26 PM UTC
So it’s up to all you.
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:26 PM UTC
all renters on script. x11 is no matter for me
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:26 PM UTC
So we can rent on X11 , no problem
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:27 PM UTC
very few of us use NH. besides, no way o secure deal. i am not in.
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:27 PM UTC
Stay off Scrypt and get 1BTC to divide up
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:27 PM UTC
fatty is getting more then 0.2 btc daily, i guess
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:27 PM UTC
i probably use more NH than anyone here and it’s not possible i hurt you
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:28 PM UTC
I can repeat it once more: when ph price is low, but real price is high, there is no high prices on NH
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:28 PM UTC
Hell , the handful of us NH users, dividing 1BTC and mining on X11 ? I love it
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:29 PM UTC
So, the only reason of high prices is all of you.
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:30 PM UTC
Well, looking at this pragmatically, Konov, you have the upper hand, and I see no way to overcome that
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:31 PM UTC
i fight for lower prices , so it’s impossible for me to raise prices
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:31 PM UTC
I do hope you'll work with us and lets find a solution
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:32 PM UTC
each new order or speed limit get price rise
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:32 PM UTC
you, the one buying all fixed at losing rate , is raising the prices
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:32 PM UTC
Why do the fixed orders have such an effect?
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:33 PM UTC
for example, whoes 100 ghs order on westhash?
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:33 PM UTC
I suppose its yours. its not?
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:34 PM UTC
not fixed one I mean, it is gone right now
AvPro · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:34 PM UTC
Konov wrote: So, the only reason of high prices is all of you. why do you think the entire nicehash market is dominated by you and ~5 people on here ? Haha
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:34 PM UTC
@ AvPro because when PH is down, there are low price time on NH
thats why
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:35 PM UTC
ok. whoes 23 ghs orders?
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:35 PM UTC
agreed with avpro... if konov simply chills out he would make much more $ as well as us littles
AvPro · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:35 PM UTC
Have you harassed Zpool users?
wkying79 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:35 PM UTC
@konov your logic is wrong and contadictory. Order prices go up on NH because your bots push the price up. Not because someone here is making fixed orders. Show me proof PH is the reason and not any other pool? Perhaps I am too stupid to understand
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:36 PM UTC
Isnt it just because the guys at NH tied their pricing to the PH WAMP data?
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:36 PM UTC
his bots are the problem...its the 300G of fixed orders for which his is purposely losing money
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:36 PM UTC
Na seriously, they use the PF WAMP data to drve the prices
wkying79 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:37 PM UTC
@konov u can’t blame multipool or zpool because they don’t have a live profitability calculator. Multipool kinda does but limited to a handful of coins only
fattygrub · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:37 PM UTC
i meant bots are not the problem
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:37 PM UTC
@ wkying79 fixed orders are out of talk right now. Im tlaking anly about standart ones
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:37 PM UTC
When PH goes down , the WAMP feed goes down too, so it makes sense
FRISKIE · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:37 PM UTC
When PH lives agaion the WAMP is back too
Konov · Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:37 PM UTC
The reason NH price is going up is because my bot pushing it up because of yours new orders/speedlimits
