Chat archive · 2018-06

Hobo01 · · #88229

Otherwise it’s a "Joint Venture" and I have right to the books + profits.

Hobo01 · · #88230

Either case, it’s either Fraud or Theft.

Hobo01 · · #88231

Sounds like Tax Fraud to me.

Hobo01 · · #88232

Hobo01 · · #88233

The U.S. Treasury classified bitcoin as a convertible decentralized virtual currency in 2013.[34] The Commodity Futures Trading Commission, CFTC, classified bitcoin as a commodity in September 2015. Per IRS, bitcoin is taxed as a property.[35] In September 2016, a federal judge ruled that "Bitcoins are funds within the plain meaning of that term".[36] In June 2018, Supreme Court of the United States debated bitcoin future for the first time.[37]

Hobo01 · · #88234

so calling bullshit!

Hobo01 · · #88235

And notice. Only bitcoin hahaha!

Hobo01 · · #88236

So yeah. Fraud or theives.

jeffms2003 · · #88237

Just reports your mining revenue in terms of USD as income and then any capital gains/losses upon trading the coin and you’ll be good regardless of what prohashing does

Hobo01 · · #88238

Not the issue.

Hobo01 · · #88239

They want my EIN

jeffms2003 · · #88240

So does coinbase and the other credible exchanges

Hobo01 · · #88241

All my earnings are reported by the exchanges that convert them.

jeffms2003 · · #88242

don’t give it to them if you don’t want them to have it

Hobo01 · · #88243

They have it.

Hobo01 · · #88244

This is not an exchange.

Hobo01 · · #88245

It’s a pool.

jeffms2003 · · #88246

there are plenty of pools that don’t even require registration

Hobo01 · · #88247

They mandate it.

Hobo01 · · #88248

I can’t opt out.

Hobo01 · · #88249

Which is where this all started.

Hobo01 · · #88250

But then someone said I Was a contractor to them.

Hobo01 · · #88251

Which got me worried.

Hobo01 · · #88252

Because that means they are claiming me as something I am not.

Hobo01 · · #88253

I am a customer.

Hobo01 · · #88254

not a contractor.

jeffms2003 · · #88255

well they provide all the infrastructure and software to allow you to access the blockchain so it could be argued either way

Hobo01 · · #88256

Not legally.

jeffms2003 · · #88257

none of us are attorneys or tax lawyers, so who knows what the official ruling would be. Just do all your reporting to the IRS correctly and you’ll stay out of trouble.

Hobo01 · · #88258

This is a solication when advertised on the internet.

Hobo01 · · #88259

It is a virtual brick and mortor.

Hobo01 · · #88260

Why.

Hobo01 · · #88261

I get what you are saying.

Hobo01 · · #88262

But honestly.

jeffms2003 · · #88263

so are all other online businesses

Hobo01 · · #88264

Government has no say.

Hobo01 · · #88265

This is not something under their jurisdiction.

Hobo01 · · #88266

This is community driven.

Hobo01 · · #88267

community designed.

jeffms2003 · · #88268

Believe me - they are big enough and moving enough coins/money/whatever that they will be nailed to the ground if they are doing it wrong.

Hobo01 · · #88269

Government can fall off the map and stay their noses out of it as far as I am concerned.

Hobo01 · · #88270

I doubt it.

Hobo01 · · #88271

Government is not in charge of this.

Hobo01 · · #88272

Just special appearance every summons.

Hobo01 · · #88273

They are in charge of "ponzi" schemes.

Hobo01 · · #88274

and business rules.

Hobo01 · · #88275

But if you don’t accept USD how can they even be envolved?

Hobo01 · · #88276

Hence, crypto is a game changer.

Hobo01 · · #88277

It cannot be stopped, and it removes power from the authorities.

Hobo01 · · #88278

Now it is about, indivduals.

Hobo01 · · #88279

Trust, and community.

Hobo01 · · #88280

Not regulation, as there is none.

jeffms2003 · · #88281

well there are tax laws for exchanging property for property whereby you don’t have to pay taxes, but I think it has been indicated that cryptos don’t fall into that category...I’d have to research the guidance from authorities.

Hobo01 · · #88282

So don’t be afraid of big "government"... In the end, you ask them under watch jurisdiction they want to prosecute.

Hobo01 · · #88283

They have no say in the matter.

Hobo01 · · #88284

Just invent a new coin called. NoTax coin.

Hobo01 · · #88285

Tell him to fuck off.

Hobo01 · · #88286

put all your "value" there.

jeffms2003 · · #88287

Almost all cryptos have a value in terms of USD and that is the basis for any tax calculations. I don’t like paying taxes, but I also don’t want to tempt the IRS to f me over

Hobo01 · · #88288

then use it.

Hobo01 · · #88289

It’s not about taxes or tax evasion.

jeffms2003 · · #88290

The own everything about you if you live in the US and that’s just a fact

Hobo01 · · #88291

IT’s about who the fuck are you to tell me what to do with bits of information?

Hobo01 · · #88292

It has no substance.

Hobo01 · · #88293

It’s intangible.

Hobo01 · · #88294

It’s an idea, virtual.

Hobo01 · · #88295

No physical representation.

Hobo01 · · #88296

Doesn’t exist in reality.

Hobo01 · · #88297

They have no claim.

jeffms2003 · · #88298

Well USD is basically a virtual currency these days too. Most transactions don’t involve touching cash

Hobo01 · · #88299

Exactly.

Hobo01 · · #88300

So until it is converted to reality.

Hobo01 · · #88301

IT has no value.

Hobo01 · · #88302

$0.0

jeffms2003 · · #88303

and whether or not the USD will last with crypto is yet to be seen

Hobo01 · · #88304

When the conversion occurs.

Hobo01 · · #88305

Then it has value.

Hobo01 · · #88306

It wont

Hobo01 · · #88307

Now that the cat is out of the bag. No reason to use it.

Hobo01 · · #88308

We all just invent our own money.

Hobo01 · · #88309

Print what we want and exchange it.

Hobo01 · · #88310

This idea will lead to the 3rd World War. It breaks all the rules.

Hobo01 · · #88311

And the powers that be are going to hate it.

Hobo01 · · #88312

Just remember "SPECIAL" Apperance in court.

Hobo01 · · #88313

Make them prove that they have jurisdiction. Do not show in "GENERAL" apperance.

Hobo01 · · #88314

When they can’t prove jurisdiction, they case will be dismissed.

Hobo01 · · #88315

Do your own research.

Hobo01 · · #88316

Take your own advice.

Hobo01 · · #88317

I do not consent that any government has any regularity control over crypto currency. Now or ever.

Forum notification · · #88318

has started a new topic: constantly disconnected miners

hikan2 · · #88319

Why time is not shown in the section " Live Profitability"? It is not clear how many seconds ago it was actual information!

CSZiggy · · #88320

There is a delay on the LIVE PROFITABILITY data. Its just a representation so you can tell what coins are in error mode. You can't use the LIVE data to program a bot to mine for max profit. That's why they added a delay, so you can't use that data to bot farm max profits now.

jeffms2003 · · #88321

@ Steve Sokolowski do your servers support the z9 Mini for the equihash algo yet?

Steve Sokolowski · · #88322

CSZiggy wrote: There is a delay on the LIVE PROFITABILITY data. Its just a representation so you can tell what coins are in error mode. You can’t use the LIVE data to program a bot to mine for max profit. That’s why they added a delay, so you can’t use that data to bot farm max profits now.
If we allowed people to write their own bots to switch coins, then that would take away from miners who are using automatic coin switching

CSZiggy · · #88323

hikan2 wrote: Why time is not shown in the section " Live Profitability"? It is not clear how many seconds ago it was actual information!
I was answering Hikan2's question.

jeffms2003 · · #88324

I have a z9 mini that I’ll be getting in a few hours if you guys want to do testing to get the functionality on your servers. If you aren’t going to support, it would be nice to know.

Butter2k1 · · #88325

Z9 is working great on prohashing

Butter2k1 · · #88326

Got mine an hour ago, running smooth... had trouble connecting at first, but if you have that try the specific port shown on the help tab, worked for me.

jeffms2003 · · #88327

ok, cool - I saw on forums that people said it wasn’t working so I just thought I’d ask here. You would think folks would be happy to speak up about it, but I guess not.

CSZiggy · · #88328

It's an equihash miner. Isn't it already supported.