thats what you have to do, test the waters for yourself
Chat archive · 2017-09
hashingpro · · #28409
dsldsl999 · · #28410
yes
hashingpro · · #28411
someone elses' cold water might be your preferring temp./
dsldsl999 · · #28412
my friends and i will each be using a different pool for a couple of days and then compare the payout
JustAnotherPLT · · #28413
We can make excuses for everything related. Argue one site to another, but why take someone else’s word for it? Do you make your own judgments or listen to people who think they know?
JustAnotherPLT · · #28414
I fault no one for figuring things out themselves.
hashingpro · · #28415
and then swap your numbers for a few days and then compare
dsldsl999 · · #28416
yup
hashingpro · · #28417
stop back in and let us know what you find out.
dsldsl999 · · #28418
sure
Brandonloves2fly · · #28419
hashingpro wrote: still not sure I see the risk vs reward OCing a $2000 machine for an extra 2 bucks a day.If you are immediately selling off your mining earnings for cash, then I agree, It’s not worth it. If you are mining and holding on for dear life, then I see value in OC’ing. $2 a day now may not be much, but that is 1 extra LTC a month. If in 6 to 12 months time the LTC is worth $100 or more, that could be an extra $1,200 dollars a year. (12 extra LTC mined over 12 months). If you keep your temps down and check it with an IR temp gun vs trusting the antminer UI, I say go for it. Which is what I do. I OC to 450 and all my temps stay at between 54 and 51 degrees. If the brothers are right and script is only paying a penny per Mh, You’ll be wishing you had that extra LTC per month.
Brandonloves2fly · · #28420
*between 54 and 61 degrees*
hashingpro · · #28421
yep until that machine pops in 2 months and you think wow I got 200$ in extra ltc and no place to buy new gear from at $200 mark.
dsldsl999 · · #28422
Well I dun planned to keep the L3 for life, it will probably become non profitable within 1 year. OC it reducing its overall life is not something i care about. what i care is if it pops in 3-6 months or less.
dsldsl999 · · #28423
but 54-61 degress should be ok i guess
dsldsl999 · · #28424
i dun like to see anything in the 70s
hashingpro · · #28425
unless its really 70-76 right now.
dsldsl999 · · #28426
true
hashingpro · · #28427
the firmware reset the temps down 5 degrees. They didnt change out the temp sensors, so if a firmware can make them seem 5'C less, how accurate is that temp sensor really?
dsldsl999 · · #28428
there is no harm double checking it with another device just to make sure the temps on the gui is accurate
dsldsl999 · · #28429
actually i might get an IR gun to check if it is not too expensive
hashingpro · · #28430
they are like 8-10 bucks.
dsldsl999 · · #28431
well how accurate are those for 8-10 bucks
hashingpro · · #28432
1 decimal point accurate
hashingpro · · #28433
50.1 may be + - .1 degree
dsldsl999 · · #28434
ok
hashingpro · · #28435
even if its 1 degree, where 50 could mean 49 or 51 thats still better than going on a sensor that has already had its temp reduced via a firmware patch. obviously they could just tune them again and again via firmware
dsldsl999 · · #28436
i already bought a sound level meter for it so no harm getting an ir gun as well
hashingpro · · #28437
maybe they hope if they can roll the temp down, more folks will OC and blow them up on the bad temps and have to buy MORE machines!
hashingpro · · #28438
watt meter?
hashingpro · · #28439
15 amp surge protector?
JustAnotherPLT · · #28440
Literally just bought one on Amazon. I OC as well, might as well make something while we can knowing this isn’t going to last with current hashing power.
dsldsl999 · · #28441
db meter to measure how nosiey it gets
hashingpro · · #28442
20 of them are as silent as can be
JustAnotherPLT · · #28443
Have you ever heard of someone blowing one of these machines?
hashingpro · · #28444
when they are located 4 blocks away!
JustAnotherPLT · · #28445
I have not heard of anyone blowing a machine, personally.
dsldsl999 · · #28446
yes on youtube someone blown one up right?
hashingpro · · #28447
no, but lets be real, everyone will brag they got up to 650 hash on their miner, most will never say if opps i blew up a $2000 miner.
hashingpro · · #28448
the first person who does will video it and try to get 1 million hits
JustAnotherPLT · · #28449
Ive OCed many things that I own with no issues.
dsldsl999 · · #28450
i OC my RX580 no issues
hashingpro · · #28451
as long as you can afford to replace it or do without it if its lost
hashingpro · · #28452
just like investing, never invest what you cant afford to lose
hashingpro · · #28453
never OC equipment you couldnt be without.
JustAnotherPLT · · #28454
@hash, couldnt agree more. Or at least pay to be repaired.
hashingpro · · #28455
not sure how you would repair it, just replace it
JustAnotherPLT · · #28456
Send it back, they repair/replace
JustAnotherPLT · · #28457
for a hefty fee I’m sure.
hashingpro · · #28458
not after you OC it voids the warrnety
JustAnotherPLT · · #28459
I’m not talking warranty. They still repair your device out of warranty.
JustAnotherPLT · · #28460
Says so on original paper work
hashingpro · · #28461
do they?
JustAnotherPLT · · #28462
Yessir
hashingpro · · #28463
maybe i misread the sentence
JustAnotherPLT · · #28464
How do you read it?
hashingpro · · #28465
i read it once 3 weeks ago
hashingpro · · #28466
i read it as no warranrty no fixage.
hashingpro · · #28467
now i have to go and DL a new copy of that stupid form letter
JustAnotherPLT · · #28468
I see, I read it as fixable for a price. Even says charged at "current repair" rate
hashingpro · · #28469
doesnt say these things will void the warrenty and we are not liable for any repairs?
JustAnotherPLT · · #28470
I’m on the road, as usual, but if you get a copy, post on here what it says. If not I can when I get home.
dsldsl999 · · #28471
just ordered IR gun
dsldsl999 · · #28472
i really like prime next day delivery!
JustAnotherPLT · · #28473
I did the same, also used prime
SpacedCowboy · · #28474
So if I’m mining LTC (because the pool chooses it), and being paid in LTC, is there less fee (since there’s no trading fees for conversion from xxx to LTC) or is this just a bonus-for-the-boys when this happens ?
dsldsl999 · · #28475
well there is only one fee
dsldsl999 · · #28476
so convert or not u pay the same
dsldsl999 · · #28477
since the pool will not choose to mine LTC all the time so the fee makes up for all the other conversions
dsldsl999 · · #28478
this is what i think anything
dsldsl999 · · #28479
i wonder on the L3, which board is No.1, it is always hotter than the rest
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28480
@GregoryCHarding - re overclocking
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28481
if anyone is interested I can tell you all exactly what overclocking does to machine life
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28482
there is a very accurate rule of thumb engineers apply to this problem
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28483
as it is used to stress equipment to estimate longevity
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28484
so it is basically every 10Degc hotter you run electronics over rated temp you half the life
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28485
the question here is what is rated temp and rated life for the antminers
hashingpro · · #28486
is that in F or C?
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28487
usually when chips are made there is a lot of variability
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28488
Celcius
dsldsl999 · · #28489
actually how do we know bitmain isn’t already overclocking the device?
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28490
and then the manufacturer sorts them into consumer, industrial and military grade based on tested performance
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28491
but in the case of the antminer chips much evidence points to a fail/pass process
hashingpro · · #28492
pretty sure bitmains are more a PASS FAIL bin
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28493
due to observed variations in temps and HW errors
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28494
so the prudent approach to overclocking is to raise the clock one or two notches, leave for 3 minutes and then observe temps
hashingpro · · #28495
YES which is why the 1080 video card comes in flavors. SU, OC, FTW...each with a differnet overclocking and cooling feature
bluelemonadecrypto · · #28496
once you get a non linear raise in temp for raise in clock you have gone far enough if not too far
hashingpro · · #28497
the L3+ comes with ...standard L3+ settings.
GregoryGHarding · · #28498
@SpacedCowboy : you dont pay for the exchange service, you pay the 5% fee for mining here and using the switching algorithm PH uses
hashingpro · · #28499
so if we solo or static mine we save the 5%?
GregoryGHarding · · #28500
youre still using the pool
hashingpro · · #28501
but not switching algoryth..cant i get ala carte and save?
hashingpro · · #28502
actually you can, its only 3% on solo mining and 5% on the merged mining from it.
GregoryGHarding · · #28503
if you want to save, set up the coin wallet RPC on your pc and solo mine that way
hashingpro · · #28504
and lose out on 95% of merged mining on this pool, no way!
GregoryGHarding · · #28505
so, you pay the fee :p
hashingpro · · #28506
#freefees4life.
GregoryGHarding · · #28507
free fee? those two words together dosnt make sense
GregoryGHarding · · #28508
if theres a fee it isnt free