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Chat archive · 2017-07

FRISKIE · · #10604

Uhum, I was gpoing to ask to please stop the orders, but there was no chance :(

fattygrub · · #10605

i will admit, mr konov, you have proved your point. now how can we work together?

mjgraham · · #10606

wish I had that kind of btc to prove a point.

Konov · · #10607

U guys make me angry by fixed orders. That’s the point. All hashrate is not on PH. And also, that angry bot r mine bot.

Konov · · #10608

So. If I will c that I can make fixed order with low loose for me, I will do it again.

FRISKIE · · #10609

you probably give us more credit that we are due :D

FRISKIE · · #10610

there's a handful of us, and the ones I know are small orders, mine are 5Ghz for instance

mjgraham · · #10611

i am glad you can , i am not pissed just wish I could :)

Konov · · #10612

some one 5, some one 50 some one 100 - you are always slicing the best part of a cake. Now I stopped it

FRISKIE · · #10613

I\m all about fair play, and I cant say I understand yet what I am doing wrong with my 6 GHs order. expla a little better?

Konov · · #10614

and yes, Крым - это Россия ;)

FRISKIE · · #10615

5 not 6 :D

FRISKIE · · #10616

Hmmm I wish I was not caught up in this, it seems players with more firepower than me are causing the issues

FRISKIE · · #10617

Do you hav e a solution in mind? One that would allow us to all get back to mining?

Konov · · #10618

I don’t care, who it does, but PH got 200+ extra power each time profit goes up

FRISKIE · · #10619

Seriously, I can't imagine who has such size of orders

Konov · · #10620

And I can say it once more, for PH miners is better to stay away from NH completely.

mickeekung · · #10621

Я люблю тебя. Мне очень жаль, что я арендую Nicehash слишком много. Я сниму это справедливо в будущем.

Konov · · #10622

They income will be better

FRISKIE · · #10623

Why is this? If you dont have any equipment yourself?

Konov · · #10624

I dont rent for PH

FRISKIE · · #10625

People like me who rent 5 GHs from nicehas to make a little money

Konov · · #10626

use pure orders, not fixed

FRISKIE · · #10627

I got going a couple months ago, and want to learn, then buy my own stuff :)pure?

Konov · · #10628

right now, my bot didn’t see orders, that <10 ghs

FRISKIE · · #10629

what is a pure order?

mjgraham · · #10630

I can see your point, to a point ,my hardware miners are doing better but I use both to try to make out a little better and now the price floor is so high it is hard to do much with

Konov · · #10631

not fixed order = pure order

FRISKIE · · #10632

Is a pure order same as standard order?

mjgraham · · #10633

so are you against fixed orders, is that what you are saying?

Konov · · #10634

if there will be space for my bot, and your order<10 GHS , it will not rise price

Konov · · #10635

i’m against all other renters -)

mjgraham · · #10636

well fair enough on that

Konov · · #10637

but NH got to much space for fixed orders - my bot is out of power in that moments

FRISKIE · · #10638

so you prefer we use standard orders, below 5GHs?

Konov · · #10639

when ph price is up, U take power from mine bot. I’m angry of that. Bcause of that I make big fixed orders

FRISKIE · · #10640

We cant help the PH price going up, it rises as its profitability rises

mjgraham · · #10641

do you mine any on PH? or always direct it somewhere else

Konov · · #10642

I don’t care what you use. I said for you basic rules - mine bot need 61% of power. And it angry of any new order>10 GHS - he will rise price up

Konov · · #10643

If there are to many 10 ghs orders - price will go up to

mickeekung · · #10644

Мне очень жаль. Пожалуйста, примите мои извинения.

FRISKIE · · #10645

ok that, But you know that NH is tied to PH WAMP data, and thee NH prices rise when the PH profit rises

Konov · · #10646

no u r wrong

Konov · · #10647

haha

Konov · · #10648

you use wamp, make new orders, my bot go up, because of you

Konov · · #10649

I dont use wamp

FRISKIE · · #10650

I believe it is true, the API is open to use

Konov · · #10651

I got multipool like ph - all of my own and only for me

Konov · · #10652

so I got mine stats - when price go up and down

FRISKIE · · #10653

hmmm, ok, new to me then

Konov · · #10654

and of course, I didn’t pay any 5% fees haha

Konov · · #10655

that’s why I can work to zero loss, while u - not

FRISKIE · · #10656

So whats the key here so we can all work together?

mickeekung · · #10657

Я больше тебя не рассержу.

Konov · · #10658

I already said: 61% of power want mine bot, all orders>10 GHS is angry orders for him - he will overcome them. It is rules for basic(not fixed) orders.

FRISKIE · · #10659

Is is as simple as keeping orders below 5ghz?

Konov · · #10660

for fixed orders - I think, If I will be lucky, I will place big fixed orders over and over again

Konov · · #10661

because my bot cannot beat fixed order - there is no api for that

FRISKIE · · #10662

Whn that happens the prices rise out of the rest of our range

FRISKIE · · #10663

we need a solution where those big fixed orders will not be necessary

FRISKIE · · #10664

what do you recopmmend

FRISKIE · · #10665

Talk to us, we can work out a way for us to all participate , lets hear your idea

FRISKIE · · #10666

Konov, will you switch those big fixed orders off, please?

Konov · · #10667

U guys using wamp, that give you 2brothers, and use NH for renting - and keep saying it is not fair enough. But I think, that PH for real miners must be off NH completely. Because 1. It hurt ph miners income 2. For 2brothers it is better to make clean pool - and miners will go from NH here. Because without wamp data, there will no priec rise on NH and difference betwean NH and PH will be great.

wkying79 · · #10668

@Konov what is the purpose and goal of your experiment to keep renters < 10GHs orders

Konov · · #10669

big fixed orders will stay as long as I can make them again

Konov · · #10670

it is not mine experiment - it is my income - so I decide, for small renters leave <10 GHS orders

fattygrub · · #10671

Вы не можете потерять деньги навсегда, чтобы потерять деньги

fattygrub · · #10672

Вы не можете потерять деньги навсегда, чтобы потерять деньги

Konov · · #10673

I got more to say, I can pay 2 btc daily for 2 brothers - for completely ban PH on nicehash

wkying79 · · #10674

the only thing i can conclude so far is that large orders can manipulate the pricing of the marketplace. which is the same all other exchanges for commodities

Konov · · #10675

by the way, gmaybe I should ask them... But I think, whey will abandon such proposion

Konov · · #10676

hah

FRISKIE · · #10677

Is there anything personal about this? or is it simply business and numbers?

Konov · · #10678

Of course, simply business.

FRISKIE · · #10679

Thank you for clarifyimg. I would have one request

wkying79 · · #10680

@konov so its not really an experiment. u would like to control the relationship between HN + PH right?

Konov · · #10681

No. I don’t need people like you, that jump in the boat with fixed orders when income realy high, leaving low income times for me solo.

wkying79 · · #10682

conversely speaking, if a group of people were to pool 10BTC worth of low priced orders on NH marketplace at high hashrate limits, wouldn’t that negate your bots ability to raise the price? or is the NH marketplace not a pure auction system?

Konov · · #10683

I didn’t unerstood what u r saying, sorry

Konov · · #10684

NH - pure auction system.

Konov · · #10685

but what did u mean - I cant understood

Konov · · #10686

Every pool suffer from NH power

FRISKIE · · #10687

For me its all fascinating. And we keep dodging the question . . WHAT CAN WE DO TO WORK TOGETHER?

Konov · · #10688

Friskie - I didn’t know

Konov · · #10689

I cant switch fixed orders on NH off for all

Konov · · #10690

so I buy them to minus profit

FRISKIE · · #10691

Are you willing to talk with me, even offline, just you and I, and look at the situation in detail?

Konov · · #10692

there is no situation. Every user can see wamp stats and make fixed order - when there is good time.

Konov · · #10693

I can’t control it. So I buy fixed orders

FRISKIE · · #10694

Both businesses could use some "alignment" , rules in how we interact, to maximize profits

Konov · · #10695

of course. I made proposion - ban NH here, I can pay up to 2 btc daily for it

wkying79 · · #10696

@konov what i mean is that your bot can use large NH orders in order to eat up existing hash and rise price floor. But then someone can also use an anchor order of 10-20 BTC worth of low price auctions (that will not be fulfilled) but affect the auction calculation system, resulting in overall drop in average prices for the marketplace

FRISKIE · · #10697

Konov, if you will make some offline time, bring whoever to supposrt, and lets talk, help us understand details better, I want to try

Konov · · #10698

" But then someone can also use an anchor order of 10-20 BTC worth of low price auctions (that will not be fulfilled) but affect the auction calculation system, resulting in overall drop in average prices for the marketplace" - didn;t understood - sorry - i’m from Russia

fattygrub · · #10699

he’s not interested in maximizing profits for everyone... he said it himself in the past: he is willing to sacrifice his own profits (at a loss) to hurt everyone... his concern is not profit... his concern is to hurt

FRISKIE · · #10700

his concern is to hurt - I am not convinced about that, its why I want to talk

AvPro · · #10701

that crazy talk - you want to personally pay the owners to tailor the pool to how you want it?

Konov · · #10702

my concern is to work with max profits, but if there are other people, and they want to much power, I will go up to a loose

fattygrub · · #10703

he’s a cryptocurrency terrorist