Chat archive · 2017-12

cashflowminer · · #64498

S9s are coming up on a huge upgrade @deathlessdd

deathlessdd · · #64499

Not the S9 themselfs but the asic chips are

greaseman316 · · #64500

Sorry to say but if you play game right s3 and above is still making a profit. my S4s and S5s clear 2 to 3 times daily compared to my D3s and resell prices for all of them are just stupid

deathlessdd · · #64501

Honestly there not really making profits

deathlessdd · · #64502

the price of bitcoin throws you off

deathlessdd · · #64503

your not making more bitcoin

mining4fun · · #64504

@ cashflowminer Sent you pic in an Direct Message

cashflowminer · · #64505

So basically all these people that are buying a shit ton of S9s that will be delivered by March 1st, and up and running by mid March or April first will not make thier money back in the first year?

mining4fun · · #64506

Did you receive it?

deathlessdd · · #64507

Prob not

cashflowminer · · #64508

Thanks mining4fun

mining4fun · · #64509

sure

deathlessdd · · #64510

those people getting those are late to the bitcoin party

mining4fun · · #64511

you can see it is in 3 phases

deathlessdd · · #64512

Just looks like its really profitable because of the price of bitcoins

mining4fun · · #64513

starting with 100 machines growing to 500

mining4fun · · #64514

phases machines out

cashflowminer · · #64515

So if we have investors that right now want to invest $5million dollars what would the best plan of action be?

mining4fun · · #64516

This is a custom calculator built by a buddy that is starting with 12 machines growing to 48 over 12 months

deathlessdd · · #64517

Its hard to say honestly because things are gonna change this year bitcoin could go up and it can go down

deathlessdd · · #64518

But the S9 machines arent making tons of bitcoins

mining4fun · · #64519

it’s all speculation

deathlessdd · · #64520

and the congested blockchain of bitcoin I dont really trust anymore

mining4fun · · #64521

might consider contract mining

deathlessdd · · #64522

Well contract mining is a rip off tho

mining4fun · · #64523

yep

mining4fun · · #64524

just options

deathlessdd · · #64525

I looked into it and I have an antminer S1 in my house and they are charging 4 times the price of the hashing power

cashflowminer · · #64526

Honestly Bitcoin is headed to $50k and $80k by end of year...technical analysis is pretty accurate from many in my hedge fund industry, which is why a millions of dollars are going into mining right now

mining4fun · · #64527

I would say give it to a good crypto day trader and let them do a 1% daily

deathlessdd · · #64528

cashflowminer wrote: Honestly Bitcoin is headed to $50k and $80k by end of year...technical analysis is pretty accurate from many in my hedge fund industry, which is why a millions of dollars are going into mining right now
People are pouring millions of dollars into bitcoin that is why its going up

mining4fun · · #64529

and sit back and not sorry about the machines and outcome overall of crypto values

deathlessdd · · #64530

If bitcoin hits 50k the blockchain is doomed no one will get any confirmations

deathlessdd · · #64531

and all the echanges will crash

cashflowminer · · #64532

Not just bitcoin but all main blue chips coins, Litecoin, Ethereum, BitcoinCash, and soon to be Ripple and Ethereum Classic that will be on Coinbase the main point of entry into these markets...they are going up guys for sure no fear or doubts about it

mining4fun · · #64533

deathlessdd wrote: I looked into it and I have an antminer S1 in my house and they are charging 4 times the price of the hashing power
You need to mine using the latest chips/machines

deathlessdd · · #64534

lol I dont mine with it

mining4fun · · #64535

retire old machines, during the course

deathlessdd · · #64536

Just making an example of cloud mining contracts

deathlessdd · · #64537

Its retired

mining4fun · · #64538

ah, okay. thought you were CRAZY!

mining4fun · · #64539

LOL

deathlessdd · · #64540

im just saying for 180gh/s they charge over 40 dollars for the contract for 2 years

cashflowminer · · #64541

mining4fun your photo didn’t come through...i just DM you my email if you can email to me please

mining4fun · · #64542

got it

mining4fun · · #64543

sure

deathlessdd · · #64544

cashflowminer · · #64545

thanks

mining4fun · · #64546

ok

mining4fun · · #64547

I will use imgur

mining4fun · · #64548

hang on

cashflowminer · · #64549

So if difficulty continues to increase and the coins mined is law of diminishing returns, but the dollar value is pretty consistent or at least not as diminished which make mining still worth while with the only catch that the technology will need to be replaced every 2-3 years?

deathlessdd · · #64550

Also cash if your in US your gonna get taxes to hell

mining4fun · · #64551

mining4fun · · #64552

this is based on value being $15k

cashflowminer · · #64553

Well we don’t plan to sell the coins once they are mined...only keep them in cold hardware storage...then when the society is evolved enough to make purchases with Litecoin (transfer value) is when we sell and by then the price is at $4000

mining4fun · · #64554

and zero cost for legal or building

deathlessdd · · #64555

cashflowminer wrote: So if difficulty continues to increase and the coins mined is law of diminishing returns, but the dollar value is pretty consistent or at least not as diminished which make mining still worth while with the only catch that the technology will need to be replaced every 2-3 years?
Yes you are making profit but only cause the price of bitcoins, and the dollar amount not actually mining bitcoins is going up your mining less coins

mining4fun · · #64556

5% value growth and 30% income taxes

mining4fun · · #64557

@cashflowminer, does the chart help? Gotta run.

cashflowminer · · #64558

income taxes only if you sell the coins for other coins or to USD as realized gains....until they are sold they are not realized, it’s a commodity asset class....just like Gold

mining4fun · · #64559

cashflowminer wrote: income taxes only if you sell the coins for other coins or to USD as realized gains....until they are sold they are not realized, it’s a commodity asset class....just like Gold
Understood

cashflowminer · · #64560

thanks for the chart mining4fun!

deathlessdd · · #64561

But how will you ever make your money back if you never cash out

mining4fun · · #64562

just wanted to add the variable

cashflowminer · · #64563

you make money back by not cashing out simply by selling the company that owns the machines

mining4fun · · #64564

cashing out is a MUST

deathlessdd · · #64565

Someone will need to pay for the taxes ontop of it

deathlessdd · · #64566

they will calculate it in the deal

cashflowminer · · #64567

mining4fun could you do one more chart analysis for L3+ please

mining4fun · · #64568

this calculator is intended for a smaller outfit, not a huge datacenter with hundreds

mining4fun · · #64569

it is also for 2-3 year venture, no real exit strategy. Just hobby level to have FUN and hopefully make some money

deathlessdd · · #64570

Lol

cashflowminer · · #64571

oh...yeah so we want at least a 1,000 or more mining machines...500 S9s and 500 L3+ and need some kind of projections for the investors ....the ROI is based on building that company that owns these machines then selling the company as a means of cashing out to another VC firm that wants to get in the space

deathlessdd · · #64572

hes talking about buying 1000 machines thats not a hobby

mining4fun · · #64573

@cashflowminer, I’m working on the Scrypt version now, needs some tweaks.

cashflowminer · · #64574

Yeah this is the real deal

mining4fun · · #64575

PM me the specifics you want to run

deathlessdd · · #64576

were talking big money here

cashflowminer · · #64577

Thanks Mining4fun....if you can help, I can get you to mine for real

deathlessdd · · #64578

1000 machines is no joke and you wanna make sure everything if working

mining4fun · · #64579

you can see the input fields

cashflowminer · · #64580

yup

deathlessdd · · #64581

but most mining farms will invest in GPU rigs as well

mining4fun · · #64582

nice convo, but gotta get some COFFEE

deathlessdd · · #64583

Did you calculate the diff increases as well

cashflowminer · · #64584

deathlessdd what GPU mining rig setup do you recommend?

cashflowminer · · #64585

we were looking at buying these: Capex - $500,000 for 128 workers, 768 GPU’s 1 mining worker consists of 2 Power Supplies, 1 motherboard, 1 Celeron CPU, 1 8GB stick of DDR4 Memory, 1 64GB USB3.0 flash storage drive, 6 PCI-E 1x to 16x Riser, and 6 Nvidia GTX 1070 GPU’s mining at 27MH/s (not overclocked) at a cost of $3,906.96 per 6 GPU Rig mining at 160MH/s ETH/ETC/ZCASH or other GPU capable alt-coins.

mining4fun · · #64586

@deathlessdd, yes
deathlessdd wrote: Did you calculate the diff increases as well
Yes, it is in the algorithm

Steve Sokolowski · · #64587

restarting now

Steve Sokolowski · · #64588

for the release talked about earlier

deathlessdd · · #64589

cashflowminer wrote: deathlessdd what GPU mining rig setup do you recommend?
I went with all 1080 tis

VicBradley · · #64590

Does anyone know why my live balance goes down? Shouldn’t it keep going up?

FastCashMining · · #64591

With each payout it reduces.

deathlessdd · · #64592

Server was restarted

deathlessdd · · #64593

Also goes up and down of the price of the coin

VicBradley · · #64594

Not payout related. i’m looking at my Etherium earnings for today, and it just jumped from $8.90 down to $8.81

deathlessdd · · #64595

Thats cause price of the coin going down

VicBradley · · #64596

I’m mining X11 Algo, and splitting mayout between Etherium and Litecoin, if that helps

VicBradley · · #64597

OH. I suspected that might be it. thanks for the answer.