Chat archive · 2017-12

AppleMiner · · #55917

its computed at the end of the night, when they figure how much they paid out

AppleMiner · · #55918

its just $ paid by the pool / hash = number

centar · · #55919

so you’re saying they calculate that number by payout instead of by earnings?

AppleMiner · · #55920

so no corralation to what you mined or what you got paid out in

AppleMiner · · #55921

YES, exactly

AppleMiner · · #55922

now do you see why it is sooo worthless of a chart!

centar · · #55923

ohhhhhh

centar · · #55924

yeah that’s retarded wow

centar · · #55925

got it now, thx

AppleMiner · · #55926

so you cant tell what you might have made yesterday, today or tomorrow

AppleMiner · · #55927

its just FACTS, we paid this much for this much hash

AppleMiner · · #55928

you and I can have same l3+ running same speed

centar · · #55929

man there should be a disclaimer on that chart

AppleMiner · · #55930

pick 2 seperate coins for payouts

centar · · #55931

very misleading

AppleMiner · · #55932

and get 2 seperate payouots

AppleMiner · · #55933

YES

AppleMiner · · #55934

but that is why the chart is NEVER wrong

centar · · #55935

so theoretically you should always earn more here, there’s just no way to really verify because the charts are shit

AppleMiner · · #55936

its not based on shares or hashrate tabulations

AppleMiner · · #55937

its based on what they paid out, and they kow what they paid out, they paid it out for that day

centar · · #55938

i guess you would just have to check manually

AppleMiner · · #55939

its on the books in their records, so its just math, $ paid pout / hash on the network all day

AppleMiner · · #55940

i think it depends if your coin payout of choice goes UP or DOWN all day

AppleMiner · · #55941

if it goes down, you get more coins, but show a lower payout $ profit, and are leikely under the average on the chart

centar · · #55942

yeah so if they only calculate the value of what they paid out, instead of the value of what was earned pre-conversion to payout coins, the data is pretty worthless

3Moose · · #55943

centar wrote: so theoretically you should always earn more here, there’s just no way to really verify because the charts are shit
I stay here because I want to SUPPORT here. But I never, not one time EVER, made more money here than NH.

AppleMiner · · #55944

inversely if the coin rose all day, you got less coins over time, had a nice $ high payout and were over the 1MH average

AppleMiner · · #55945

after the conversion from NH I was still 10% higher here most of the time.

PanaceaIV · · #55946

Stop you two... my TINY BRAIN hurt

AppleMiner · · #55947

sorry, math hurts

PanaceaIV · · #55948

lol!

centar · · #55949

yeah i think a lot of people thought they earned more on NH because they would get paid in BTC and it kept rising so it just appeared that they were making more

3Moose · · #55950

I view PH as a labor of love... and a desire to support the Bros. I like the customer service and that I can get paid in any coin. But the reality is I do no make more money here. I’m ok with that most days, but when the gap gets too large, I need to bail. I am trying to run a business after all.

AppleMiner · · #55951

same moose, and when the fork was going on in btc i wanted in on I went BTC here and mined on NH to get over that .1 cashout to move the coins up to my wallet for the fork.

AppleMiner · · #55952

but anytime I took 2 days and moved it to my wallet and converted it to LTC

AppleMiner · · #55953

from the nicehash BTC payment

3Moose · · #55954

I would make more here however over LTC pool (before the most recent crash).

AppleMiner · · #55955

I would have noticable LESS LTC than if I had just mined 2 days straight LTC here.

centar · · #55956

3Moose wrote: I view PH as a labor of love... and a desire to support the Bros. I like the customer service and that I can get paid in any coin. But the reality is I do no make more money here. I’m ok with that most days, but when the gap gets too large, I need to bail. I am trying to run a business after all.
where were you making more?

AppleMiner · · #55957

guessing nicehash

3Moose · · #55958

But right now, F2Pool would be paying me about 1.5 - 2x my payout here today based on some short tests.... that’s a hard gap to swollow.

AppleMiner · · #55959

before it went swirly

AppleMiner · · #55960

everyone claims they will make you more

AppleMiner · · #55961

the proof is in the pudding

centar · · #55962

I never thought I made more on Nicehash. I only have one l3 though so i could never run concurrent tests. But day to day i thought I still made a little more here than NH

3Moose · · #55963

centar wrote:
3Moose wrote: I view PH as a labor of love... and a desire to support the Bros. I like the customer service and that I can get paid in any coin. But the reality is I do no make more money here. I’m ok with that most days, but when the gap gets too large, I need to bail. I am trying to run a business after all.
where were you making more?
NH.

AppleMiner · · #55964

run 4 miners on 4 sites and get back to me tomorrow with some good data

centar · · #55965

is F2Pool a multi-pool?

AppleMiner · · #55966

with the recent crashes, BCC offline, NH hacks, I going with all bets are off for a few days until things start to settle back down

centar · · #55967

AppleMiner wrote: run 4 miners on 4 sites and get back to me tomorrow with some good data
yeah i wish i had more machines so i could do testing like this

AppleMiner · · #55968

with NH down 1 less palce to test now at least

AppleMiner · · #55969

real shame too, they had nice videos, and seemed like a server on every continant

AppleMiner · · #55970

looked really professional, right up until they lost everyones money

centar · · #55971

orphan rate on the BCC chain is dropping quite a bit, not sure if the attack is winding down or the drop is just due to hashrate leaving

3Moose · · #55972

AppleMiner wrote: run 4 miners on 4 sites and get back to me tomorrow with some good data
I rann 15 and 15 .... F2 Pool paid me more today by a good chunk. Don’t have the data in front of me.... could also beena lucky run... but i will do a longer test tonight when I get home.

AppleMiner · · #55973

just gonna call them MtGox 2.0

centar · · #55974

AppleMiner wrote: looked really professional, right up until they lost everyones money
You know I find it hard to believe it was really a hack

3Moose · · #55975

Actually, might be fun to do 10 / 10 / 10 .... but that a lot of work ... lol

centar · · #55976

who in the crypto world with half a brain would keep all their funds in one account on a hot wallet where it could be swiped all at once. Surely you would have taken precautions to keep the majority in cold storage until needed for payouts?

AppleMiner · · #55977

it WAS a hack, someone used a computer to gain unauthorized access to a data system

3Moose · · #55978

centar wrote: who in the crypto world with half a brain would keep all their funds in one account on a hot wallet where it could be swiped all at once. Surely you would have taken precautions to keep the majority in cold storage until needed for payouts?
I got lazy and had about 5K on NH last week. Life just gets busy and you forget that the world is full of crooks. I have 50K in one account that need to more to a trezor.

3Moose · · #55979

* move to a trezpr

3Moose · · #55980

man... Trezor

PanaceaIV · · #55981

I still think in today’s world.. someone on the inside was involved with the NH issue...

deathlessdd · · #55982

yup

PanaceaIV · · #55983

@3moose... for the love of "EVERYTHING" GET an off line ledger!

deathlessdd · · #55984

deathlessdd · · #55985

this is nh wallet

deathlessdd · · #55986

still getting income

3Moose · · #55987

PanaceaIV wrote: @3moose... for the love of "EVERYTHING" GET an off line ledger!
I have one... just been slow... I know... I’m a bad boy. Will do so tonight.

centar · · #55988

you guys see the live stream NH did on their Facebook a little while ago?

centar · · #55989

deathlessdd · · #55990

no

centar · · #55991

they said 4,600 BTC were stolen

centar · · #55992

damn

deathlessdd · · #55993

fake

deathlessdd · · #55994

no sound?

centar · · #55995

theres sound

centar · · #55996

said they’re bringing it back online soon

centar · · #55997

but no word on repayments

centar · · #55998

just saying they are trying to recover the funds

centar · · #55999

so sounds like they aren’t committing to paying anyone back

deathlessdd · · #56000

oh i hear it now

gjc6yb · · #56001

4600 BTC sitting behind a computer, amazing. I wonder what the largest cyber theft was, this has to rank up there right?

deathlessdd · · #56002

more then 4600btc

centar · · #56003

what was bitfinex

centar · · #56004

or mt gox

deathlessdd · · #56005

up too 78 million

centar · · #56006

man, just the fact that the brothers here know how to airgap and secure their shit should be enough of a reason to stick around

deathlessdd · · #56007

its crazy but i feel like they are still sending btc to thar wallet

megaquake · · #56008

pool issue i am showing Live worker status (0) but miner shows mining

3Moose · · #56009

If NH is not going to repay people, then they should be restarting very soon. I assume they need a enough capital to pay people... but unlike the bros they only need enough inventory to pay in BTC.

deathlessdd · · #56010

Who would mine for them if they dont pay people tho

deathlessdd · · #56011

You need an incentive

3Moose · · #56012

I would.

CryptoTiger · · #56013

megaquake wrote: pool issue i am showing Live worker status (0) but miner shows mining
same here. just wanted to make sure NH bandits weren’t tapped in :)

deathlessdd · · #56014

You would mine for them even if you dont get paid ?

3Moose · · #56015

On average, I made 50-100 more per day on NH than PH. Now, I made a decent volume... if I mined for them for a month to make the threshold... and then lost my money... I might be very sad.

deathlessdd · · #56016

This is about trust at this point if your going to remine for them without getting your money then your crazy