Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

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Steve Sokolowski
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Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by Steve Sokolowski » Tue May 24, 2022 12:33 pm

We're evaluating a potential change to the PPLNS rewards system, to address customer feedback. Some customers are concerned that later shares on blocks where the pool has had poor luck can result in a lower expected profitability compared to mining in FPPS mode.


The current formula

Currently, when a block is found, the reward is distributed using the following simple formula:

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your_reward = (block_reward + transaction_fees) * (1.0 - pool_fee) * sum(your_share_difficulties) / sum(all_share_difficulties)
As you can see, every share is worth the same value, regardless of when it was submitted.


The proposed formula

In the proposed formula, more recent shares would be weighted so that the expected earnings from PPLNS mining are equal to those of FPPS, before the lower fees slightly increase the expected profitability. The new more complex formula for determining the value of a share would be:

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score = share_difficulty * 2 ^ (sum(all_share_difficulties_previously_submitted_for_this_round) / block_difficulty)
your_reward = (block_reward + transaction_fees) * (1.0 - pool_fee) * sum(your_scores) / sum(all_scores)
As you can see, when enough mining has occurred such that a block would already have been, on average, expected to have been found, each share is then worth twice as much in score as were shares submitted at the start of the round. If a block still hasn't been found after enough mining where two would normally have been expected, then the latest shares will be worth twice as much as that share, and four times as much as the first share submitted in the round.


Effect of the changes

If this change is made, a customer earns the same expected value no matter when he joins in the round, preventing new customers from being discouraged because of the significant portion of the rewards already earned by customers who had previously mined. In the new system, customers who stopped mining a while ago will still earn some money, but their proportion of the payout will decline exponentially instead of linearly.

Should we make this change?
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by dalr46 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:11 pm

This would be a positive change to PPLNS for ProHashing, hope to see it up and running in the near future,
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by thundergun » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pm

When will this first PPLNS update happen? Will it clear out all current PPLNS amounts and reset them all?
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by Sarah Manter » Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:15 am

The calculations of scores have already been released and verified. No, nothing has been cleared out. New scores since Friday are now in the new score system. It's all working but is just not yet displayed on the website or explained in the documentation yet. We still have a few more tasks to complete on this, but all of the back end tasks will be finished this week most likely. The website updates related to this change will take place last, as we are making some significant PPLNS improvements on the site, and it will be continually improved.
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by afkluckky » Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:45 pm

I am sure this has somthing to do with the changes to PPLNS but my payout got reset to 0 on the bitcoin pplns (which I have been on for months now). Just want to make sure that its just part of the data not displaying on the site properly yet. Thanks!
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by Bringles » Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:38 pm

My pplns for scrypt has been reset to zero as well.
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by Sarah Manter » Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:51 pm

Bringles wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:38 pm My pplns for scrypt has been reset to zero as well.
afkluckky wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:45 pm I am sure this has somthing to do with the changes to PPLNS but my payout got reset to 0 on the bitcoin pplns (which I have been on for months now). Just want to make sure that its just part of the data not displaying on the site properly yet. Thanks!
We are looking into this issue.
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by thundergun » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:14 am

All of my PPLNS have been reset to Zero and are now rebuilding with lower amounts.
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by Sarah Manter » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:48 am

thundergun wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:14 am All of my PPLNS have been reset to Zero and are now rebuilding with lower amounts.
This is a known issue, and affects the displayed information only. You're being properly credited, and the engineers are looking into fixing the bug.
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Re: Proposed change to PPLNS rewards

Post by thundergun » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:46 am

The PPLNS amounts that had built up over time never came back, and it appears they reset again last night.
Is this still just and appearance error?

Really looking forward to the PPLNS Pro option. I like the idea of being able to be paid out not in said coin for PPLNS.
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